Last night during the debate joe biden got choked up at one point

...you can stick to the topic Moby has given no problem. I knew you had it in ya!

joe biden's ineluctable claim to prominence, in my opinion, is not his cherished and admirable experience in the field of foreign policy.

rather, i believe his greatest contributions as a u.s. senator are the laws he drafted, proposed and implemented that ensure absolute law enforcement protection for women against cases of domestic violence.

for a country that prides itself on the tradition and customs of equality and justice, this was a major-league milestone.

yet, i honestly feel he needs to go even further.

many reliable studies have indicated that the adult entertainment industry have been linked to the widespread violence against women. the sadistic and savage images of porn often depict women as mere objects for sexual gratification in humiliating circumstances.

Further the charges of child pornography and the industry's alleged ties to crime syndicates should compel any american of clear conscience and decency to put an immediate end to the dissemination of this reckless filth.

biden's work with feminist issues should be commended but i truly hope he leads a massive effort to eradicate the social problems of domestic abuse at its very core, not just the symptom.

Seriously, Moby, it's time to ban both of us, me your ardent, true fan, and the rude troll. I know you don't really want to ban me because I'm defending you and your liberal fanbase and your website in general, albeit to an extreme, but I will take the bullet if you have to appear to be fair. I know you are reluctant to ban the troll because you are a nice guy and believe in free speech. But now, you don't have to worry about it being a free speech issue. Now, it's about his conduct here, now you can ban us both because we have taken the flame war too ridiculous lengths. If you don't want to ban him for his insults levelled at you, calling you a "pseudo intellectual" repeatedly and cutting down your political views by condescendingly asking if you get a "free toaster" with your politcial views, if you don't want to ban him for hijacking and spamming your journal talkback irregardless of your topic with his daily cut and paste GOP talking point rants (which you have patiently allowed to go on for weeks), if you don't want to ban him for his sleazy, personal attacks on me, which have now included disgusting homophobic, anti-gay slurs (!), which I know you being bisexual must take even more of a personal umbrage to, if you don't want to ban him for just being an overall rude, judgmental, uppity, conservative douchebag, then clearly he and I have violated your terms of service by carrying on this flame war ad nauseum. I've given you the loophole to ditch this dirtbag eyesore once for all without worrying that your belief in free speech has been compromised. It's no longer about free speech, now it's about how he and I have conducted ourselves here, on your website, on your bandwidth. As for me, as I have said, I will gladly take the bullet if I can rid him of the thing he loves the most which is abusing your forum, pissing you off. I can still come here and enjoy your views without posting but he won't come back if he can't give and your liberal fans the finger on a day to day, week by week basis. So I implore you, have your webmaster click the ban button on both of us and rid yourself of this asshole for good, not in the name of being a draconian (as he's trying to spin and manipulate you) but because of our clear and obvious misconduct here. I feel as if I have done some good here already, you will notice that the troll has not posted on your halloween blog but had I not had this flamewar with him I know you know as well as I do that he would have posted another anti-Obama anti-liberal war and peace length rant and taken more cheapshots at you all the while completely ignoring your topic of conversation....again and again and again! He has proven he has nothing to add to the conversation except to ignore your topic and cut and paste his own conservative agenda all while hiding behind 'ad hominem.' And I know you didn't buy his instant google of your career- hey, I'm a fan-schtick. Yeah, right. Would a true fan of you and your music, come here just to insult you and your political views and never previously mention any of your gigs or music? Please. I know you Don't believe the hype. I refuse to let this troll continue to be rude to you. I've got this fucker in a deathgrip chokehold and he knows it, that's why he doesn't want to reply anymore, he's afraid of being banned but it's too late (gotcha, fucker!) and I ain't lettin go, my plan to get rid of him is working and he can't stand it. If he thinks he's just gonna keep abusing you and your website without me continuing to make him my bitch, he's wrong. Wherever he cuts and paste on your blog, on your website, i will be there with my flamethrower, scorching this rude asshole just like I have successfully done here, again and again. So, Moby, make it easy on yourself and ban us both now and get back to doing what you do best, and why we, your true fans love you, you being you. Obama/Biden '08!

in your ever pitiable yet spasmodic quest to get the "last word" in, i will kindly step back and allow you to repeat your now familiar mantra of untrammeled childish lies, appalling crassness and deliberate distortions. even if i do so unctuously.

flame away (pun intended) and say what you must to salvage what remains of your "reputation". i venture to guess it's not held in high regards given your obvious short-comings and crudity revealed for the world to see.

out of prudence and free choice, i will simply ignore you from this post moving forward.

while it was a joy to wipe your ass all over the floor during my breaks from research, your insecurities mask a much deeper problem which is frankly getting scarier by the post.

so if you'll excuse me, the red sox have a division series to win tonight.

The more posts we rack up the more likely it is that Moby will ban the both of us and you are gone, and I, and every other liberal, true fan of Moby´s will be free of your endless rants. As I said, I can still enjoy Moby´s posts without posting myself, but it´´ll just kill you I´m sure. So let´s see how ridiculous we can make this. Keep up your slimey attacks and I´ll keep pointing out just how slimey and cowardly you really are until Moby brings down the banhammer and we are both banned and you will be shit out of luck with no forum to attack Moby or Barack or liberals, and forced to crawl back under the rock you came from. I´m not gonna stop kicking your ass because I like seeing how desperate you get and in your desperation just how sleazy you get. Feels good to be sleazy, right? I bet you´ve just loved looking me up and checking out pictures of me, right? And especially now that the polls are showing Barack as a shoo-in for President which must eat you from the inside out, you must really be hurting and I like that just fine. Ban away, Moby. I´m sure your other fans are just as sick of seeing us go back and forth as I am responding to this turd. As I said, I´m not even reading your posts anymore troll, so you´re wasting your time and just pissing Moby off more which is what I hope will drive him to banning us both and then the house will drop on you like the wicked witch of the east that you are. I´ll take the bullet if it means you die, too. And I´m sure I´ll get more e-mails from true Moby fans thanking me for getting rid of your tired ass hijacking Moby´s journal day after day, week after week, just to hear yourself talk and give Moby the finger. By the way, do you have to type with one hand when you get all excited about responding to me, you jerkwad loser? Obama/Biden ´08!

i hope the Draconians never silence you, edit you or censor you from this site or the 1st amendment.

that's the fundamental difference between you and i.

while i may hold a haughty attitude and sneering condescension towards a pedagogically-challenged and creepy porn guy like you, i really do hope you are allowed to continue posting your ignorant and truncated thoughts.

you don't have much time left after all. the inescapable reality is that the historical and statistical evidence for a porn actor or a prostitute's life span is rather dismal.

and you can't possibly be my type. my ass is exit only. i value cleanliness. i value morality. i value intelligence.

Back to the personal attacks is it? Is that all you got? You're a joke. You're just showing how old and behind the times you are and making yourself look bad and getting new fans for me of the curiosity seekers. your plan has backfired. Nobody here is offended if I'm a former porn star, in fact, they probably think it's interesting, unlike you whose just another closeminded, narrow world view, conservative big mouth with daily gop talking points to spread on websites that aren't your own and that have nothing to do with said owner's topic. so you aren't scoring any points, bob barr. Admit it: secretly I turn you on, right? In your eyes I'm your fantasy Jeff gannon to your karl rove, right? Sorry, I'm not into trolls. I'm not even reading your rants anymore as I'm sure everyone else stopped reading, too, so go ahead and waste your time. I'm hoping Moby bans us both because my goal will be achieved, it will hurt you, loudmouth wayyy more than me. See, even if I can't post, I can still read Moby's views, which is why I, like everyone else comes here, but you will be robbed of your hijacked soapbox, and thus your insults to Moby, you, eyesore will be gone from here. I've gotten about ten e-mails privately thanking me for calling you out on being the prick that you are around here. So I'm satisfied. Now Moby's next journal is about halloween, how will you rape yet another of Moby's journal entries into an anti-obama rant, trollboy? Will you call him a 'psuedo intellectual' again? Or again condescendingly say he gets a "free toaster" for his political views you p.o.s.? Btw, I hear the latest polls have Obama up even higher than last week? Is that why you are misdirecting your rage at me? haha. I'm laughing at you trollie and I will really laugh at you come election day when you see that all of your efforts here were for nothing. That will hurt you really bad, huh? Plus, I've already absentee voted so I'm glad to think that my vote will cancel out yours. I hope that keeps you up at night, eyesore the troll. And lastly, a male prostitue is known as a gigolo, if you are gonna promote intolerance and hate speech at least get your hate-terms correct. Douche. obama/biden '08!

from dictionary.com

prostitute:

noun

1. a woman who engages in sexual intercourse for money; whore; harlot.
2. a man who engages in sexual acts for money.
3. a person who willingly uses his or her talent or ability in a base and unworthy way, usually for money.
4. to sell or offer (oneself) as a prostitute.
5. to put to any base or unworthy use: to prostitute one's talents.

hey kurt, this definition fits you to a proverbial "t".

you see, it's not a smear, a slander or a smack-down if i define your career or existence as prostitution.

it's a statement of fact. i may use it perjoratively in my exchange with you but it is still a factual statement.

out of curiosity, given the decline of the dollar, has any of your sugar daddies adjusted your rates to the market correction?

Fact Check #1:

the fallacy of your assertion is that only "true fans of moby" have exclusive access and knowledge of his infrequent appearances over at huffington.

Fact Check #2:

moby's music isn't limited to techno, trance, electronic, ambient, euro or whatever genre you want to fit him into. in fact, my favorite cd from him is "animal rights" and my favorite concert was the area one show with new order. people who like moby also have over-lapping interests in other artists such as joy division, the cure, bauhaus, interpol, muse, tool, paul van dyk, floyd, sigur ros.

so you're not only the "self-elected moderator" of moby's personal blog, you're also his "designated musicologist"?

Fact Check #3:

my very 1st post here was a question soliciting professional commentary on the denon/technics dj cd turntables versus the feel of the ubiquitous 1200, if you suspect that i'm some Midwestern hick who listens to the dixie chicks. there could be worse things, like listening to your shitty music

Fact Check #4:

politics has nothing to do with "nice" (whatever that means). it has every thing to do with the allocation of scare resources under confining preconditions given the volatility in the free markets and absence of faith on the part of the constituents.

Fact Check #5:

my posts have been anti-Obama and anti-McCain. your finite knowledge of political theory, economics, logic and basic reading comprehension makes it nearly impossible for someone like you to "get it".

the fact that you admit to taking your marching orders from alec baldwin is quite revealing. others may take theirs from the u.s. constitution, the works of thomas paine or ludwig von mises.

Fact Check #6:

i freely confess. i called moby a "pseudo-intellectual". now this doesn't make him a bad person or a bad musician. i wouldn't be the first to call him this nor will i be the last.

and i question the wisdom and the sanity of people like you who place so much stock or blind faith in the trite, meaningless and absurd things that celebrities say in areas that are way of of their scope and league. moreover, few can actually match actions of virtue with their platitudes just like your oh so precious obama-wama-poo. and to this end, i give sincere credit to moby for his work with the aclu, peta, internet freedom and many other charitable organizations.

you happen to give me the imression of someone who hasn't read what any dissenting political scientist, philosopher or economist has written on subjects you seem so passionate about.

your tendency to express view points with venom and virulence also gives me the impression of a scarred, emotional mind who's always struggled against the "establishment" such as family, vocation or the political bureaucracy.

i recognize the syndrome from a contintent away.

whether you think you could "rip me to shreds" or not, is highly debatable. only a fool or a delusional popinjay would post a link to their personal life exposing every embarrassing aspect and episode for no other logical reason than narcissism or shameless self-promotion.

spare me the melodrama. this "us versus them" mentality is the very argument i postulated against during this election. allow me to cut through the form and the fluff and spell it out for you: republicans and democrats are different factions within the same party. this party represents big business and special interests, not you.

the world would be a pretty boring place if everyone shared your allegiance to prostitution, sleaziness, moral ineptitude, stds and filth.

again, address any of the political points i have raised if you want to "rip me to shreds".

clearly, you're off to the deep end. take a few steps back from the screen. breathe into a bag. take your meds. put your helmet back on!

what you lack in intellectual fortitude, you are sorely trying to compensate for by slandering someone who has the luxury of anonymity. foolish agenda and a waste of time, wouldn't you agree?

moby can speak for himself. and in his absence, there are plenty of capable and intelligent (read: not you) pundits over at huffington, the aclu or peta who share his voice and vision, not to mention that he's on a first name basis with many of their activists.

many well-informed liberal apologists on this board can defend moby's running political commentaries and offer solutions to complex problems with a modicum of cogency and civility. they do this under the cloak of privacy, afforded to them by the administrators of this site.

just two weeks ago, i shared a spirited exchange of ideas with a fellow poster regarding our constitutional rights and the neocons' crimes against humanity without resorting to petty name-calling. you should try reading it or have an adult read it to you.

if you feel so inclined to "defend moby", I would suggest you avoid using out-of-context statements, lugubrious caricatures and mirthless lies to support your case. otherwise, the casual reader will take you for an uneducated buffoon who is unable to grapple with ideas. (Note: i find it perplexing that the "self-elected moderator" of moby's blog still don't understand what "ad hominem" means and why it's important in debate. worse of all, he's still using it in the wrong context)

in the words of moby, at the very least "try to be funny".

labeling anyone who disagrees with you a "troll" or a "fascist nazi" is about as strategically hopeless as bringing spit-balls to a fight. it's dishonest and it betrays the real issues at stake.

whatever personal or embarrassing details you put out on the Internet for the public consumption, it's considered fair game. there are more viable ways to stretch your fleeting 15 minutes of fame. are there "reunions" for washed-up porn actors?

here's the video:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/02/sot.debate.biden.em...

sorry for all the trash comments lately

it's next to impossible to take someone like you seriously.

that stated, you have failed to address one political point which i previously raised.

if you claim to be the voice of "liberalism" on this blog, i'm not sure if this is an indictment against liberals or this board.

Half of the American people have never read a newspaper. Half never voted for President. One hopes it is the same half.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. Albert Einstein

I was raised by my father after my mother died.. I had a lot of respect for Biden but it's only gone up since I saw the debate. I'm glad other people also recognize that he was being absolutely sincere when he started to choke up talking about his family. You just can't fake some things and I know that look and sound from my own father. I think sometimes though people have a hard time understanding that men can and do feel things just as strongly and poignantly as women.

Sarah Palin frightens me, and her behavior and some of her answers last night didn't do much to alleviate that but in fact made it worse. I felt like her performance was really forced and that it didn't make her look like "one of us" but rather someone who is trying too hard and very fake, not to mention just plain incompetent.

...the resident troll on the is board, you know who, manages to post about a full page anti-Obama rant that no one is going to read when the subject is Biden and the loss of his family? Moby, your journal talkback has been infiltrated by a propagandist of the worst kind whose has never even indicated he is a fan of you or your music ever. He just comes here to smear shit on the walls. If it fits the topic fine post away, if not, save it. What an asshole.

Anyway, yeah, that was really touching during the debate when Biden got a little choked up and notice he tried to hold it back which I found much more genuine then say, Hilary´s-I just want to lead- crocodile tears of old. I thought it made Biden much more human than Palin´s forced- hockey mom-youbetcha-doggonit- schtick. Now, where´d I put that can of anti-troll spray?

here's an accurate perspective on obama taken from craigslist. fact check the article if you feel so inclined but it speaks volumes about how so many people are being duped in this country.

Obama voted for FISA, for the Patriot Act, for offshore drilling. On a more immediately relevant note, Obama not only supports the bailout (granting tax breaks to the very businesses that caused this mess) but even advised that we not put riders on the bill that could allow people to have judges adjudicate bankruptcies in favor of workers.

He foments fear by talking about the eternal threat of terrorism, never addressing how our government helped create these terrorists (see the BBC documentary “The Power of Nightmares”), how the war on terrorism serves to vastly increase powers of the state and how the risks of terrorism are greatly exaggerated. He has close ties to Zibignew Brzezinski, the man who during the Carter administration surreptitiously supported (through China) mass murderer Pol Pot and who deliberately created the very Al Qaeda we now fight as a means to undermine Russia.

He says he is for dialogue with Iran while at the same time stating that its army is terrorist and that “nothing is off the table” in terms of dealing with them. He kowtows to Israel. He never addresses the inherent corruptness of the Federal Reserve, or the real reasons we are in Afghanistan (to put in a gas pipeline) & Iraq (to control the region’s oil) & why we are now supporting Georgia (to put in a gas pipeline) in a manner that puts this country at risk for nuclear retaliation. And while he might discuss it in a (slightly) less bombastic manner, Obama is extremely pro-war, as is his running mate.

These are just some examples of Obama’s longtime alignment with the status quo and yet a mesmerized public – in defiance of all evidence and logic – persists in the belief that this is a candidate of “change”. It is time for Obama and McCain supporters alike to challenge the false left/right paradigm that keeps us polarized and from addressing the real issues about what ails this country.

Obama supporters especially need to wake up, as this candidate is particularly dangerous in his ability to engender such blind and absolute faith – again, in defiance of all evidence and logic. I would personally rather have a leader that everyone knows is the enemy, than one who has beguiled the masses into believing that he is a savior. The way in which so many people support Obama so absolutely and so unquestionably is bewildering and scary.

Whenever I point out some of the aforementioned tidbits to friends or family who support Obama, I never get specific counterpoints, just "He represents change" or "He has inspired so many young people" or “It would be an inspiration to have a black man in the White House” or "He's better than McCain". People are so mesmerized by Obama or the idea of what they want him to be, they are seemingly incapable of seeing how he clearly serves the exact same interests as McCain (e.g., the military industrial complex, IAPAC, etc.) and would essentially put us on the same trajectory – perhaps even more dangerously so as so many evidently remain under the illusion that this is a man who can be trusted, a man who is apparently supernaturally immune to the pulls and pressures of corrupt special interests, a man who doesn’t require serious scrutiny.

The ability to speak eloquently about the need to remove our civil liberties, cut deals for offshore drilling and bailout corrupt banking institutions is NOT change. It is more of the same in a slicker package, one that too many seem to have gleefully swallowed because it does not require them to see the frightening reality of what this government has truly become and see through the charade of our two-party system that serves the same special interests. America is in dire need of REAL change, not just a change in rhetoric.

The best way to predict a person's future behavior is according to their past and current behavior, and thus far Obama has done nothing to demonstrate how he would seriously challenge the nefarious special interests that have metastasized throughout our government and fundamentally undermined its integrity.

It is time for Americans to be smarter, to seriously fine-tune our discernment, to not be complacent with just the lesser of two evils, and to wake up to the charade of the two-party system. We don’t need leaders who speak in generalities and of meaningless clichés like the “audacity of hope”. We need leaders who have the audacity to expose this government’s criminality and offer real solutions based on ethics and common sense - people like Dennis Kucinich, Ron Paul and Ralph Nader – NOT people like Obama, who would defend the Constitution only when it’s convenient, who boasts of his “audacity of hope” when what this country really needs is the audacity of brave and right action, and who would lead mesmerized millions to happily and deludingly forfeit their rights and expectations towards a future of more of the same and worse.

As so eloquently put by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., “…there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is right.” Real change is possible once WE the American public starts to change, once we humbly confront our emotional and intellectual investments in a system stopped serving us long ago, once we stop making excuses for leaders who consistently stick with policies that are “safe”, “politic” and “popular”, once we start becoming leaders ourselves. That would be truly audacious.

i am even more proud of Joe Biden from his debate performance last night! Biden had a command of everything, while Palin stuck to her talking points and rgurgitated gibberish. With my Lyme disease I have comprehension issues, but totally understood Biden. He was clear and succint. Palin confused me. She really scared me when she said she wants to extend the powers of the VP. As if Cheney doing this is not scary enough, but to have folksie Palin doing this is even scarier! Palin is just like Cheney with lipstick!

"Be patient towards all that is unsolved in your heart and dreams, try to love the questions themselves."

- Rainer Maria Rilke

And his daughter. :[ He really is an amazing person.